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16:06 Thursday 18 Oct 07

I liked the idea of gravatars when they came out - mine was until recently an image of my right hand with the implant - but then for some reason it sort of dropped off the planet for me. No idea why. But now they are back (not that they left) and back in a better way. Like favicons though I like gravatars.

Unlike the amazingly boring and uninspirational M (I will change it later) that adorns the address bar here some favicons are little works of art. Completely constrained yet people can create wonderful images which can convey so much. Like gravatars. It surprises me at wordpress.com just how many people have their faces on their avatar there (but then it surprises me just how many people look at their stats too) but also the diversity. There’s a sticky thread just for testing avatars and while many are images taken from the web, images that are part of images taken from the web (looking at them now faces seem to figure higher than I thought. Maybe it’s a “I am a person not just a blog” thing going on) but there are some which look deliberately created. Created because nothing else fits, nothing else conveys the meaning they want to get across. And that’s really cool - especially to a person like me who has all the talent of a brick when it comes to art.

I tried to bring them into my comments at some point in the past but gave up with the styling for some reason or other. But I can and I probably will. There’s a support angle here though. There is a plugin at the gravatar site. and although it mentions WordPress 1.2 (I loved that version!) it probably still works. No doubt an uptodate version will appear. Anyway, there are many themes out there that have no gravatar code in their comments.php file and that means there are some issues ahead.
The gravatar help mentions the ‘Comments Loop’. The word ‘Loop’ used to throw people at the wordpress.org forums and although comment loops are probably fairly uniform it’s still a code insert. While there may be some hooks in the default themes - because hooks are good according to those that code - that will not do anything for existing users. So people will be going to forums saying ‘Loop?’ Soon after they will return saying things like “They overlap” “It broke the layout” “But I want them on the right/left/top/bottom?” “Instead of the author name” “drop shadow” and others too. The gravatar code does not specify anything in the way of placement, and neither should it. But people want their placement. And that’s where the fun starts. It’s adding a significant chunk of something that needs it’s own div, margins and all that other styling stuff. Forums will get busy and probably unavoidably so.
It’s not just a WordPress thing. It’s all the platforms - unless code is there waiting then code needs inserting and CSS writing. As gravatars become more popular then more people will ask “How?” and when someone asks, someone needs to answer (I know all about that bit). Maybe theme authors will produce something, not that they have to, but I can imagine they will be asked. The forums might keep known solutions. Again it’s not just the wordpress.org forums but others too. Possibly theme authors start to code this in by default and have the choices in the CSS - who knows.
None of this is bad, it’s just the effect that happens when something new comes along that lots of people want. And regardless of who actually bought it all the above would still apply.

And there are still some really good little pictures.

18 Oct edit:
Favicon now the same as my gravatar which is the same as my wordpress.com avatar.
Gravatars added. The gravatar is in a class which floats left and has a right margin of 10px.
The time/date is followed by br clear=”all”
The Author name is followed a br because I couldn’t be bothered to try any other way.

  1. Root
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    • I might knock out a tutorial on this.

    19:22 Thursday 18 Oct 07


  2. Brightfeather
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    • Thanks for posting this Mark.

      @Root,
      A gravatar tutorial would be much a appreciated.

    19:36 Thursday 18 Oct 07


  3. Neasan
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    • I added Gravatars ages ago to my comments and placing was an issue and ended up using tables(I know I shouldn’t) but it wasn’t easy as you say editing “the loop” requires a step further than the Joe Bloggs that Wordpress is aimed at is used to.

    09:34 Friday 19 Oct 07


  4. Mark
    4
    • And this is a test for if mine shows up.

    10:37 Friday 19 Oct 07


  5. brightfeather
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    • (1) What is it about these childish thingees that people find appealing?

      (2) Once one has chosen a gravatar that will represent/accompany them everywhere can one change the gravatar?

      (3) Why is it that those who are gravatar advocates have those hideous substitute images for those who choose not to have gravatars in the first place? Could it be a pressure tactic designed to force everyone into having one? (Look at the ugly blue blogs above and tell me why can’t there be “nothing” in place of a gravatar?)

      In case you haven’t guessed it, I’m not on the gravatar bandwagon or the openid bandwagon yet either so, go ahead and make your pitch below … lol :D

    20:18 Friday 19 Oct 07


  6. Mark
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    • (1) What is it about the designs of blogs that people find appealing? In both cases we are aiming to use the aesthetic in a way to convey more about us. There is also the argument that a good avatar can bring you traffic if people click the image to learn more about the person behind the image.

      (2) If you change your gravatar then it changes everywhere. If you check the gravatar site now you have an avatar per email address.

      (3) I haven’t yet got round to finding an alternative for use on the blog. I will though - or I could use a blank square I suppose.

      Openid - I have several and have used them in total maybe twice. I find ClaimID to be of more use.

      Bandwagons? Blogging is a bandwagon according to some. It’s only a bandwagon when you can’t see the appeal.

      Make the web a prettier place - get a gravatar :)

    20:57 Friday 19 Oct 07


  7. brightfeather
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    • Thanks for your replies. I’m not inclined to having any little thingee represent me at this time. You see I know for sure that I’m prettier by far than any of the thingees I see out there …lol. :D

      P.S. I’m off to off my avatars. ;)

    22:16 Friday 19 Oct 07


  8. Mark
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    • But you already have avatars…..

      And I know what I’ll do about the non-gravatar commentors. I shall create and install tomorrow.

    23:10 Friday 19 Oct 07


  9. brightfeather
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    • Yes I already have avatars that I can’t seem to be shed of :(
      Yeah, yeah I tried the upload a blank image idea and it failed. So now I’m stuck with little avatar images that I want to disappear. And, worse still, you seem to think having more of these little images is the solution to my problem … OY VEY! :D))

    23:21 Friday 19 Oct 07


  10. when the acquisition comes « wordpress™ wank
    10
    • [...] would be surprised if this purchase actually cost Automattic that much. I think Mark’s post says more than he intended it to: I liked the idea of gravatars when they came out […] but [...]

    01:26 Saturday 20 Oct 07


  11. brightfeather
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    • Here’s an update. I’m on the bandwagon. I have now registered my gravatar. Hopefully it will show up here. :)

    20:33 Sunday 21 Oct 07


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