Comments on: Judge Julian Hall does not see sex offences as crimes

By: Peter Niedermann

Peter Niedermann — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 22:42:36 +0000

Julian Hall - I think, this man is not only mad, he is simply perverse. He should be forced to feel what the girl felt: one should stuff his mouth with his peruke and rape him a nice huge dildo. I’d like to know how he would think afterwards.

By: Les

Les — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 18:02:06 +0000

Mark, John and Alethea. I agree. If this jusge persistently fails to apply sentencing guidelines to the child sex offences that come before him, he will ruin public confidence in the judiciary.

Might I suggest you express your support to Kidscape, and to The Rt Hon Mike Penning MP, who both seem to be very concerned about the judge. You could also express your disapproval to the Justice minister, his boss.

There’s a new Act of Parliament called The Serious Crime Act 2007. Part 2 of the act deals with encouraging and assisting crime. Wouldn’t it be ironic if the first person charged with “Encouraging crime by failing to take reasonable steps to carry out a duty” was a judge?

Alethea, I know this is not what you want to hear but, if you stop your little girl going out of the house in a mini skirt, she’ll just change her clothes at her friend’s house. You’ll simply alienate her by being restrictive. It is far better to teach her the apropriate way to respond to sexual advances, (and why), and try to engage her with some of those groups that provide things for kids to do like Guides etc.

By: Mark

Mark — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 17:03:55 +0000

And here the paedophile lover goes again

At what point does he let someone off who then repeats their offence and damages another life. Once would be too many.

That sad little man needs sacking.

By: John

John — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:30:14 +0000

It is clear to me that this Judge Julian Hall is not fit for his post and should be removed.

By: Alethea

Alethea — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 12:23:10 +0000

ANON - I applaud you - I too spent several years as a young girl being abused at the hands of a family member - also grooming me over time - until i was completely under his control. I was neither promiscuous nor the type of girl who wore ‘provocative clothing. But lets think about this - we now appear to be reverting backwards - we are now covering up our little girls - no more mini skirts, or bright coloured make up or little sunmmer tops - all because of these sick twisted control freaks who have weird issues and enjoy controling and degrading those smaller and weaker than them. As a mother myself of an 11yr old girl - I am much more suspicious - and do not allow her to leave the house in a short skirt - so am i preventing her from being a girl?, am I giving her a complex? making her paranoid that every man is a potential rapist ?- so thanks to this judge the general consensus amongs the sick element of our society will be that if a little girl is dressed provocativley this makes it ok take advavtage and to engage in sexual activity. If the public dont stand up as a collective, and campaign HARD to change the punishments / sentencing of these peodophilles and rapists then we will continue to live in a society whereby this will continue to happen, these sick men AND women who take advantage of our children will be given free reign to continue to abuse and damage our children. NO MATTER HOW ‘PROVOCATIVE’ OUR LITTLE GIRLS DRESS, NO MATTER HOW THEY WALK, TALK AND ‘COME ACROSS’ DOES NOT GIVE ANY ADULT THE RIGHT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE AND MANIPULATE A LITTLE CHILD!!!!!!!!! BUT shock horror a grown MAN (judge hall) decided that strappy top and jeans was ‘teasing’ if you will - and as she was a ‘care kid’ this made her needy !!!!!!!!!!! erm well yeah!!!!! if she was in care of course she was bloody needy”!!!!! but to use this as an excuse for an adult having sex with her is outragous!!!!! And I can only hope and pray that ‘fate/karma’ doesnt come back to haunt Mr Hall!! But I reckon his opinion would be VERY different if it had happened to a child in his own family! I can understand why many of the public feel that maybe Mr Hall has ‘tendencies’ of his own, as he not only allowed one case but more to walk out of his court room blaming NOT the adults responsible for destroying a childs life but THE CHILD!!!!
Gone are the days when the public would take a stand! And why?? because we have no faith in our judicial systems to ‘do right’ by the public the it serves! We no longer live in a democracy (for the people - of the people and by the people) we are dictated to by these people of so called authority ie, simpleton judges who have absolutley NO REAL IDEA of the REAL world - living like kings in their own little kingdsoms - oblivious to the reality of the suffering of abused children across the country - in fact across the world!!!! Until this changes - the only protection for our children comes AFTER they have suffered. The amazing charities out there (eg KIDSCAPE, NSPCC, VOICES FROM CARE, AND MANY MORE)are doing wonderful work in the area of sexual abuse and I take my at off to them!! until the government and judicial system adopts the same culture of protecting our most precious assests - our children, then things will never change. !!!!!!!

By: Mik

Mik — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:49:40 +0000

It is permissable to rape a sixteen year old or older or if the perpetrators decide any bitch is old enough to screw-Maybe the old bugger thought he would get his jollies too?

By: Les

Les — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 19:15:29 +0000

Hello Anon,

I have an email alert on this discussion so, although it petered out months ago, I read your post and decided I wanted to applaud it.

It is incomprehensible to me also that anyone can believe the 10 year old child is in any way responsible for her own rape.

I also agree that very few people understand the serious psychological damage caused by sexual abuse. I have never been abused and have no concept of the suffering it causes. I can only assume from the 4 and 1/2 years of therepy that it must be very serious indeed.

I agree that we should do all we can to help the victims of these terrible crimes, and I recognise that real justice is important in this regard. The Attorney General did appeal this case and the sentences were stiffened.

I do think, though, that we should be concentrating on preventing such crimes in the first place. Since the children don’t have the mental capacity to understand, that means the adults with a duty of care towards those children have to protect them. I think what you have written here will go a long way to motivate those adults.

By: Anon

Anon — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 02:34:43 +0000

This conversation appears to have petered out some months ago.. unless there is another page I have missed. I haven’t read it all but I’ve seen a lot..

I’d just like to add that I myself was sexually abused by a paedophile, so this is from the horses mouth. I have experienced the impacts of sexual abuse from a very personal perspective. The abuse I suffered happened for 4 years while I was growing up. The perpetrator actually started grooming me at the age of 11 and it went on from the ages of 12- 16.

I know now that I had no concept of sex whatsoever at the age of 12.. it was just a word I had heard mentioned from time to time. I had no idea of the magnitude, effect or nature of what was involved.

It was only really at the age of 16 that I started to realise that something wasn’t right and I was 17 before I could recognise the concept ‘I had been abused’ and even then I blamed myself for a further 5/6 years. I have only begun to stop blaming myself after 4 and a half years of therapy; and the therapy is ongoing.

How anyone can argue or assume for one second that a girl of age 10 might have to take the slightest bit of responsibility for a sexual act is not only ignorant but just plain insane. Even if their body has started to develop their mind hasn’t.

I find it bizarre that Michael wanted to argue that a 10 year old take responsibility in any situation. In my experience a minor can never take responsibility, as they do not have the mental capacity until really the age of 17 or 18; and the effects of rape and abuse are catastrophic in later life.

Not only is the victim very seriously damaged psychologically, usually to some extent for life, they are also physically damaged because the trauma of abuse affects the make-up of the brain and causes further mental health issues.

Child rape and child sexual abuse are huge issues in our society today and its about time people woke up and truly understood the impact of these horrific crimes on the victims.

I don’t feel the mental and emotional damage to the victims is understood nearly enough.

How is 2 or 3 years in prison a punishment for someone who has sentenced their victim to a lifetime of mental illness?

We should concentrate on helping the victims who are many and in great need, not finding long- winded arguments to excuse the perpetrators.

By: Sam

Sam — Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:44:33 +0000

that should be 6 years not 6 months

By: Sam

Sam — Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:43:24 +0000

I feel for the younge girl in this case, We feared a similar result, as we to were in court with Judge Julian Hall residing but our outcome was much more positive and we feel even though he may have done wrong, he today went some way to vindicate himself and our justice system. He sentanced a registered paedophile to 6 months for indsent assult on a 11 year old boy and 9 months for breacking his bonds added an indeterminate sentance so David Cullen will have to prove he will no longer hurt another child before he is releised. Judge Julian hall Said life. even if he is ever released he will stay on the sex offenders for life and is bound never to have any contact with any child under the age of 16 for life even if they are in the presence of a parent.

My Heart goes out to all victims of abuse and I pray for peace in all there hearts and there families.
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