Comments on: WP Forums http://www.tamba2.org.uk/T2/2004/08/09/forum-behaviour/ Eclectic. Sat, 16 Jul 2011 06:53:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: WordPress Forum Behaviour http://www.tamba2.org.uk/T2/2004/08/09/forum-behaviour/comment-page-1/#comment-5159 WordPress Forum Behaviour Sun, 11 Sep 2005 15:13:55 +0000 http://www.tamba2.org.uk/T2/archives/2004/08/09/forum-behaviour/#comment-5159 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] If you have any constructive comments on this, then you can post to the forum thread or to my original weblog post. I'm going to ignore all anonymous feedback. [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] If you have any constructive comments on this, then you can post to the forum thread or to my original weblog post. I’m going to ignore all anonymous feedback. [...]

]]> By: Root http://www.tamba2.org.uk/T2/2004/08/09/forum-behaviour/comment-page-1/#comment-875 Root Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.tamba2.org.uk/T2/archives/2004/08/09/forum-behaviour/#comment-875 This is great. I might even be a bit tougher. Something like *the guys here are not the people who run WordPress. They are just users like you. As background reading here is some stuff to get you started... (6/8 links) * This is great. I might even be a bit tougher. Something like *the guys here are not the people who run WordPress. They are just users like you. As background reading here is some stuff to get you started… (6/8 links) *

]]> By: Mark http://www.tamba2.org.uk/T2/2004/08/09/forum-behaviour/comment-page-1/#comment-878 Mark Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.tamba2.org.uk/T2/archives/2004/08/09/forum-behaviour/#comment-878 And I realised mid-afternoon that I had said <em>nothing</em> about standards too. If this does stand up to scrutiny, then on Friday I'll stick it on the ISP space. And I realised mid-afternoon that I had said nothing about standards too.

If this does stand up to scrutiny, then on Friday I’ll stick it on the ISP space.

]]> By: Root http://www.tamba2.org.uk/T2/2004/08/09/forum-behaviour/comment-page-1/#comment-881 Root Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.tamba2.org.uk/T2/archives/2004/08/09/forum-behaviour/#comment-881 Plus : Please do not post hideously complicated CSS mess ups without a url. If it is an intranet do an external install so we can see it and the CSS. We are not clairvoyant. Plus : Please do not post hideously complicated CSS mess ups without a url. If it is an intranet do an external install so we can see it and the CSS. We are not clairvoyant.

]]> By: Ryan http://www.tamba2.org.uk/T2/2004/08/09/forum-behaviour/comment-page-1/#comment-896 Ryan Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.tamba2.org.uk/T2/archives/2004/08/09/forum-behaviour/#comment-896 Fully agree, pretty well put. There should be a line in there saying run your css and xhtml through a validator before posting about a problem. Maybe there should also be one that says to check the W3C tutorials on css and xhtml. There are too many questions asking how to do basic html or css. ... Fully agree, pretty well put.

There should be a line in there saying run your css and xhtml through a validator before posting about a problem.

Maybe there should also be one that says to check the W3C tutorials on css and xhtml. There are too many questions asking how to do basic html or css.

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]]> By: Root http://www.tamba2.org.uk/T2/2004/08/09/forum-behaviour/comment-page-1/#comment-897 Root Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.tamba2.org.uk/T2/archives/2004/08/09/forum-behaviour/#comment-897 I have thought for a long time that some of this is to do with information architecture. I know the guys need the cash but if the ads were replaced with rotating internal messages eg *Have you validated* ? and other stuff from Mark list it would educate the user community. I have thought for a long time that some of this is to do with information architecture. I know the guys need the cash but if the ads were replaced with rotating internal messages eg *Have you validated* ? and other stuff from Mark list it would educate the user community.

]]> By: Mark http://www.tamba2.org.uk/T2/2004/08/09/forum-behaviour/comment-page-1/#comment-898 Mark Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.tamba2.org.uk/T2/archives/2004/08/09/forum-behaviour/#comment-898 For those that are bothered, they will check regularly that their pages do in fact validate. I do after playing around with code, or after en entry that has used tags I've not used for a while, but what I don't do is check my comments for validation. That said, I do not get coents that will break it (so far). For those that are not bothered, they'll just ignore it. That may come about for two reasons: 1 - They know it's not valid and are content in that knowledge 2 - They feel validation is way over their heads. After all, the validator can seem intimidating and it takes a bit of study to realise just what it is saying. There is also the (possible) view that the product is being delivered compliant and working, but that the product staying <em>working</em> is the only goal of the devs. I guess if I was in their position and had finite resources I would take the same position. A way to encourage it would be to have a forum purely for validation issues (xhtml and css) with a good sticky and consistent support. If, by Friday afternoon, there has been nothing hammered in this list, I plan on publishing it to the forums. I am aware that it will get picked over and that 'anon' will stick his/her/it's oar in, but as WP expands, I really do think that some extra direction is needed. WP may have attracted the 'geeks' but it is also now attracting the wider audience who NEED HELP FAST PLEASE (and who coincidentally completely forget the words' thank' and 'you' exist). I have found before that some big flashig arrow type directions help.And wow doesn't that sound patronising ! For those that are bothered, they will check regularly that their pages do in fact validate. I do after playing around with code, or after en entry that has used tags I’ve not used for a while, but what I don’t do is check my comments for validation. That said, I do not get coents that will break it (so far).
For those that are not bothered, they’ll just ignore it.
That may come about for two reasons:
1 – They know it’s not valid and are content in that knowledge
2 – They feel validation is way over their heads. After all, the validator can seem intimidating and it takes a bit of study to realise just what it is saying.

There is also the (possible) view that the product is being delivered compliant and working, but that the product staying working is the only goal of the devs. I guess if I was in their position and had finite resources I would take the same position.

A way to encourage it would be to have a forum purely for validation issues (xhtml and css) with a good sticky and consistent support.

If, by Friday afternoon, there has been nothing hammered in this list, I plan on publishing it to the forums. I am aware that it will get picked over and that ‘anon’ will stick his/her/it’s oar in, but as WP expands, I really do think that some extra direction is needed.

WP may have attracted the ‘geeks’ but it is also now attracting the wider audience who NEED HELP FAST PLEASE (and who coincidentally completely forget the words’ thank’ and ‘you’ exist). I have found before that some big flashig arrow type directions help.And wow doesn’t that sound patronising !

]]> By: kevin http://www.tamba2.org.uk/T2/2004/08/09/forum-behaviour/comment-page-1/#comment-899 kevin Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.tamba2.org.uk/T2/archives/2004/08/09/forum-behaviour/#comment-899 Hello. I, being one of the new "wider" audience, have to say you (Mark, root, nuclear moose and everyone here)are tireless. I have been lurking around here for a couple of weeks and I must admit I was hooked.I have never fooled much with css. I used dreamweaver as a wysiwyg type editor and just used tables and photoshop built galleries for my shop's sitewhich is visible <a href="http://www.fatcattattoos.com">here.I was looking to inspire myself a bit to do some updating on my site and my frined introduced me to blogger. I wanted to do it on my own server and found wordpress.org. This is where I saw that wp was the choice for me. I am trying to learn as much as I cannow, so that I can help out my self as well as help others like you guys have helped me. I had 2 (IE) windows open the whole time thru the install. One for the install process, the other on support and wordpresswiki. So, that said, I believe I have been posting for help with the rss on my blog , but not including enough info. I am sorry. But I am trying to keep everything validated and neat. I am going to build my blog up and then try to use wp to build my main site.. Anyway great ideas on a great site...Thank you guys ..good luck, valid code and great health to ya..</a> Hello. I, being one of the new “wider” audience, have to say you (Mark, root, nuclear moose and everyone here)are tireless. I have been lurking around here for a couple of weeks and I must admit I was hooked.I have never fooled much with css. I used dreamweaver as a wysiwyg type editor and just used tables and photoshop built galleries for my shop’s sitewhich is visible here.I was looking to inspire myself a bit to do some updating on my site and my frined introduced me to blogger. I wanted to do it on my own server and found wordpress.org. This is where I saw that wp was the choice for me. I am trying to learn as much as I cannow, so that I can help out my self as well as help others like you guys have helped me. I had 2 (IE) windows open the whole time thru the install. One for the install process, the other on support and wordpresswiki.
So, that said, I believe I have been posting for help with the rss on my blog , but not including enough info. I am sorry. But I am trying to keep everything validated and neat. I am going to build my blog up and then try to use wp to build my main site..
Anyway great ideas on a great site…Thank you guys ..good luck, valid code and great health to ya..

]]> By: Craig http://www.tamba2.org.uk/T2/2004/08/09/forum-behaviour/comment-page-1/#comment-900 Craig Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.tamba2.org.uk/T2/archives/2004/08/09/forum-behaviour/#comment-900 Mark, What a great post. You've had some great comments as well. I think that you should post this on the support forum. Now. Don't wait. :) Mark,

What a great post. You’ve had some great comments as well. I think that you should post this on the support forum. Now. Don’t wait. :)

]]> By: Craig http://www.tamba2.org.uk/T2/2004/08/09/forum-behaviour/comment-page-1/#comment-901 Craig Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.tamba2.org.uk/T2/archives/2004/08/09/forum-behaviour/#comment-901 CRAP! Mark YOU BAD BOY! After my <a href="http://blog.nuclearmoose.com/archives/2004/07/28/get-out-your-rotten-tomatoes/">rant</a> about smilies, you go and trump my text smiley for a --shudder-- graphic smiley. Bad, Mark. Bad, bad Mark. :p DOH! YOU DID IT AGAIN! Peace, health and happiness to you, my friend. CRAP!
Mark YOU BAD BOY!

After my rant about smilies, you go and trump my text smiley for a –shudder– graphic smiley.

Bad, Mark. Bad, bad Mark. :p
DOH! YOU DID IT AGAIN!

Peace, health and happiness to you, my friend.

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